An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. In San Diego they had a fan club for him called the Mickey Lolich Gut Club. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Mickey Lolich was one of the greatest left-handers of all-time, no matter his size or shape. He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. feat fan Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. Shickhaus Franks Common. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. February 28, 2003 October 18, 2008 August 7, 2018 An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. You can't be serious. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the October 19, 2011 June 11, 2003 LA-Mets But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. April 20, 2002 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. He started 45 games and completed 29. Scrappy And complaining about how fat he was? 170 lbs.? A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Mr. Sparkle Shari Lolich was a fine pitcher. What a sore disapppointment it was to see Staub take over rightfield (with his gnat's piss arm) after watching Kaline out in right all of those years in Detroit. Shickhaus Franks Doug S. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Mickey loved his Harley. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Baseball burnt him out. May 24, 2002 There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. (thankfully returning in '81). This has never happened before? To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? December 20, 2019 But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Peter December 13, 2007 Mets who have appeared in baseball's Mid-Summer Classic. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. Bartolo Colon etc). Lolich's big-league debut came May 12, 1963, in a 9-3 Detroit loss to the Cleveland Indians. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. We are going all the way!" May 7, 2013 We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. You can't be serious. April 23, 2003 So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. May 9, 2002 C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Mike B Mike B Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Rusty has always been a fan favorite so if you're going to trade him it better be worth it, and to most of us Mets fans Lolich wasn't. support. So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. April 23, 2003 He had terrific stuff. July 31, 2002 The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. body would be a pretty slender person. Ramblin' Pete Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. September 25, 2013 But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. August 7, 2018 I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. December 24, 2001 I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. Mike B That would make him a star in today's market. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. May 25, 2001 John Bruce October 4, 2005 An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. Dianna Jeanneh Jones An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. Mr. Sparkle There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. 25 wins. He later came back to play for the Padres. Rusty could hit with the lights out. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Bartolo Colon etc). November 28, 2001 Larry Burns December 20, 2019 (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. $184.99. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. February 27, 2002 Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. October 19, 2011 Dianna Jeanneh Jones As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Mike B 15. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. October 19, 2011 Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the No contest. Rusty could hit with the lights out. October 19, 2011 Jamey Bumbalo He goes up one notch for being a character! Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. Not to say the trade wasn't awful - but come on! But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. September 25, 2013 June 30, 2019 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. feat fan Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. I remember as a 11 year old when the Mets traded for him thinking "Great, we have Mickey Lolich! (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. Jamey Bumbalo September 24, 2005 End of Line The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. He pitched very good ball for you. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Peter April 30, 2009 He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? December 8, 2006 November 10, 2002 He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! He has been married to Joyce Fleenor since 21 November 1964. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. He had terrific stuff. Shari May 7, 2013 I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site.
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